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伍宇烈想問我有關舞蹈嘅十個問題 (三 & 四)後生創作人/古典芭蕾舞

三、 你覺得而家後生嘅創作人,佢最需要啲咩嘢?

Winnie: 最需要呀…[肯定] 膽量。[靜默三秒] 真係膽量。[你指嘅「創作人」] 係 choreographer 吖嘛?

Yuri (伍宇烈): 係,即係舞蹈創作人── 唔好理佢點樣 define 舞蹈啦。

Winnie: [輕聲] 膽量囉真係… 吖!同埋 self-awareness。Er,會係 self-critical 嘅,睇返自己。即係[膽量]唔係[你]夠膽除唒衫做呢個 work ,就係夠膽,唔係嘅。因為你要 supported by idea。你要知道:吖,我係 supported by 呢一個 idea。所以我就要 dancers 除衫喇一定。同埋要望返自己囉!即係唔係好封閉咁:我信呢個 idea,所以一定要除衫!你要睇返「係咪呢?」,question 返自己,即係有呢個能力去自省。

Yuri: 咁但係,你[作為觀眾]知唔知佢有無 go through 呢一樣嘢(自省)呢?抑或你會 sense 到,其實佢做咗啲咩達到嗰個 work 呢?

Winnie: 我信我係 sense 到嘅。我越嚟越信我自己嘅直接感覺──佢話緊畀你聽一啲嘢嘅。你未 verbalise (用言語表達)到,但係第一個感覺,好定唔好,應該係話緊畀你聽一啲 information。咁從嗰啲[直接感覺] 去諗 [個創作] 係咪真心囉。即係真係 feel 到佢係咪真心。[語氣平和但肯定] 我信係 feel 到嘅。

四、 你覺得古典芭蕾舞嘅存在價值喺香港係咩呢?

Winnie: Er… 首先唔好講香港先,即係 in general [咁睇],古典芭蕾舞我覺得係值得保留,就係[因為]佢嘅 discipline 呀真係。可能佢係 inhuman (唔人道/要求非人類能力範圍之內嘅技巧) 嘅,有地方。係一定有 inhuman 嘅地方,但係,somehow 嗰種 inhuman 嘅 quality 係 beauty 嚟嘅。同埋,somehow 係令到嗰樣嘢 human 囉。我唔知你明唔明我講咩,但係… 例如啦,你有無睇 《Einstein on the Beach》呀?[Yuri 示意無] 呢樣嘢係我睇《Einstein on the Beach》嗰陣時諗嘅,就係佢啲 actors/performers 猛咁做啲重複嘅動作,係真係好似 robot 咁樣做,但係靚嘅,或者有少少 variation 嘅,喺再 repeat 嘅時候。咁我一路睇一路睇,但係我覺得好好睇喎,但係我又知道,即係[我]又會有一個 mind 去諗:「唉,又要佢哋成日重複做,係好考技巧。」同埋[我]會覺得:「唉,好辛苦呀,成日[重複]做。」但係你又覺得:「嘩好好睇!」即係嗰樣嘢點解唔用一個 robot 嚟做呢?要用個 human 嚟做呢?

但係我一定知道,[搵] human 嚟做,係好睇好多。 Robot 係可能做得犀利過 [human]。一定 variation 係更多嘅。但係,我會想一個 human 嚟做,唔係因為我[係]虐待狂,而係有種 beauty 喺度。 即係嗰種 inhuman[ity] 令到佢 human 囉。我有咁嘅感覺。

Yuri: 當你有選擇,佢係咪可以 done by human 嘅時候,你 rather 係 human 做啦。同你要睇一個機械人嘅表演係唔同嘅。[…] 但係如果人做到呢種[近乎機械人嘅] control,你又 identify 到嗰個 difficulty、嗰種 determination,identify 到某種嘅 discipline,或者嗰啲… sort of like pain。咁嗰個咪係你 identify 到囉。[…] 機械人做,你點會 identify with 佢呢?你唔係一個機械人。亦都唔想做一個機械人吖嘛。咁嗰個 beauty 咪嚟自呢啲東西囉。

Winnie: 係。同埋,你頭先咁問我,我第一個感覺係:想多啲 classical ballet 嘅 training 添呀,喺香港。即係再 strict 啲──當然唔係話好恐怖嗰啲… 好 inhuman 嗰種,軍訓形式嗰種。但係就係,一來就係可能嗰個基礎打得唔好囉,即係香港… [有點遲疑] 嘅 dancers… in general。或者可能而家學嘅小朋友都係 as 一個 interest。就算佢有考試,但係… 都唔係好 devoted,或者佢無能力 devoted,因為學業,[又] 要學埋其他樂器呀,或者學其他嘢,唔係專注嗰種 [classical ballet] training。我覺得反而要返少少嗰種… 好嘅 [classical ballet] training 囉。[…]

Yuri: 咁好嘞下一個問題,你係咪因為見到唔夠好啲嘅 training,所以你有感而發㗎?

Winnie: Er… 因為我無嗰隻眼睛── 一來我唔係學跳舞長大嘅人,同埋我又唔係 instructor,更加無嗰隻眼睛。但係,喺我知道跳得好,或者我 appreciate [嘅]人── 其實少數嘅啫,因為我仲係睇得唔夠多── 佢哋嗰啲基本功都打得好嘅。

Yuri: 你從乜嘢你會覺得嗰個基本功打得好呢?你從乜嘢… 你嘅 instinct 乜嘢話畀你聽呢?

Winnie: 你睇落去嗰啲 energy。或者好穩陣嘅嗰啲… 動作。Erm,有 power 嘅。

Yuri: 即係你睇到呢啲嘢,你覺得佢係有 solid 嘅 background?

Winnie: 係嘞、係嘞。

Yuri: 唔。

訪問日期:2013年6月6日

first published on muse blog on 2 oct 2013

http://www.musemag.hk/textpattern/winniechau/91/answers-for-yuri-s-10-questions-on-dance-b

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